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Must everything be drawn a certain way only?
www.comicsalliance.com/2012/06…

Please if anything written here sounds like an "attack" or even remotely "agressive", I swear it was not meant to be percieved that way.
This a friendly journal about a not so "friendly" subject.

When you enter the comic book world as an artist, and start working on any of the titles of heavy notoriety such as Batman, wonder woman, Aquaman, Catwoman, Batgirl etc. You get noticed for both good reasons and bad ones.

Comic pros are human too and they also F--K UP. Some more than others, yes but EVERYONE does it.

But why does something that has been made and used forever, just happens to start pissing people people off?
After DC released Guillem Marchs September 0 cover: (See below)
3.bp.blogspot.com/-IAZuzLQpM90…

Eveyone (and I mean EVERYONE even comic book Artists) started expressing their dissaproval of the cover due to its "Unrealistic proportions, position and sexism-sexualizing"... really people?

So youre saying its unrealistic for someone to bend like that, but its perfectly realistic shes capable of taking down 20 armed-grown men with nothing but a whip and her bare hands? able to leap from rooftops and buildings and land perfectly fine while wearing heels-bootsbarefoot? Dodging bullets with agility?

Or that some guy dressed in red and blue tights, has tingling senses, super strenght and can crawl on walls of all angles?.

What about the Amazon princess with Super model looks and powers beyong imagination, who comes from a hidden Island protected by the Gods.. that okay?

And is Selina Kyles sexually confident Nature and portrayal honestly more "sexist" than lets say a warrior that battles in sun-snow-water areas, whose body is only covered by a bikini-armor? Or someone who fights crime wearing nothing but a red swimsuit and boots? How about someone whose "magical" suit only covers her nipples and crotch?

Look Im not saying people shouldnt exteriorize their thoughts and opinions over any given subject, but there is a line between doing that, and being an A-hole-bashing hater.

I love his work and regularly check his blog to see the updates, but when I read the comments given by people who were "Insulted" and offended, It made me wonder.. do these people have no memory at all? did they just start living of being aware of their surroundings? "OMG that soo sexist!! I feel raped by just looking at it" .. ... (People who by the way, "Curiously" commented ANONYMOUSLY, Hmmm.).

Several Comic book artists expressed their "thoughts" on the cover aswell:
www.comicsalliance.com/2012/06…
One of them is former Catwoman artist Cameron Stewart (whose work I adore).

I ADMIT I actually laughed at some of the drawings on the link.. the Boob-ass slob with a cat mask was hilarious but really harsh.. Camerons depiction was also very funny but kinda mean, as he also drew Selina taking showers and undressing multiple times during brubakers run.

So again I ask.. is it really that bad? and if it is.. is it THAT wrong to take liberties on proportions, positions and such? Must everything and everyone be drawn a certain way only?

If thats the case, then im in some Deep S--T.., Because I like to bend spines (or simply ignore them) on drawings.

Thanx for reading if you did, hope you had a laugh at the drawings :D
I sure did.
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Lalunabluena Featured By Owner May 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well that cover is pretty pointlessly objectifying (especially consider that the person who came up with that idea could either just work for playboy or just give Catwoman a possible sexy pose like this: Catwoman by ippus on deviantART). But there have been worse cases of this kind of shit so i guess the controversy shouldn't be as harsh as it was     
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FCM-NileSnake Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
Well said, Anya! This is not such a big deal at all. We liked and even bought magazines with worse, much worse art on it. This art here is great, even if a little forced or off maybe. I've seen much worse proportion before, with a lot less complaining. Spiderman bends even more, no one complains. But let a woman do it, hell, let's bash it!
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RedWingsDragon Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2012
I agree. It's a freakin comic people just need to grow up and have fun lol
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hbrika Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012
Its not my favorite Catwoman sketch but I sure as heck couldnt draw it :)

And haters will hate, it sucks in the attention :)
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Just seems like your standard jumping forward pose. Maybe March made her pose a little extreme to liven it up a bit. Don't see the big deal. I will say if I were an editor at DC and one of our artist took a jab at someone else work . I would have to give that artist a stern talking to. That is your peer show some respect!
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aichan25 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
all i can say is...LOL,.....i agree that pose is impossible,...but it's comics people, get over it. it's a nice cover
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theRealJohnnyCanuck Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012
Really . People complained about that cover? After living through the image covers/ Harris Vampirella covers/every indie comic cover of the 90's? This is a problem cover? I think this is a terrific cover and doesn't look all that bent out of shape or in the realm of impossibility. The artist license taken in this industry with body proportions and poses (Liefeld, McFarlane, every imageclone) so anyone with the gaul to say anything about this is just arrogant and any professional probably has several skeletons in their comicbook closet of work that if people wanted to could cull through and show them.


Sidenote: Some of those image hacks are actually really good artists now. A couple mentioned by name aren't yet. I'm not good either.
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TheSkaldofNvrwinter Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
what you have is a style, but you already know the rules--I assume--so you can break them :)
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AgentC-24 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's gotten to the point that any pic aimed at an outright sexy nature is considered wrong and demeaning, which is a shame. Reminds me a lot of the Escher Girls site, which is funny for a while, but the same punchlines there get old after hearing it over and over. =P I enjoyed the cover myself and agree with your stance on this silly controversy, and I'm sure plenty others did too. :nod: Glad to see you can see both sides of the argument as well! :highfive:
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chadporter Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
People who complain like this, really need to lighten up. It ART for crying out loud...more importantly it's COMIC art. And I'll admit after I looked at teh image, it did seem a bit....off. But I'm also going to chalk that up to a little thing called 'forced perspective. Given the angle that was drawn on - that's a bitch to do. Yes it's a bit awkward, but let's face it; we've seen (and bought) worse - I won't bother mentioning Rob Liefeld's name :giggle:

I'm certainly guilty of bad proportions, but F**K it...I'm an artist and I'm going to draw stuff the way I see it and how I see it and I want to see it. I get paid for drawing the way I draw and I happen to LIKE the way I draw. If I see someone whos draing very bad proportions, I'm not going to jump down thier throats and tell them they are wrong - I'm going to make comments to myself and move along.

As for the 'sexism-sexualizing'...is THAT what they are calling it now? Sheesh :roll:
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Jamibug Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
Really, was it THAT big of a deal?! Why do we even bother making art in the first place?... maybe we should just take pictures so everything can look just like real life.

I don't see why this one cover has gotten so much attention/criticism. If they wrote this kind of article for every comic cover that is "exploitative" or anatomically incorrect who would have time to read the actual comics?

Also, everyone always focuses on over sexualized and idealized women in comics, but I always say WHAT ABOUT THE MEN?!?!?! The men are put in just as ridiculous positions, often wear unrealistically tight clothing, have impossible bodies, do fantastic things, go shirtless and get their clothes ripped off, and depending on who is drawing them sometimes have huge bulging crotches. No one ever seems to comment on the unrealistic abs on the men of gratuitous things that hey do. I'm not saying that it bothers me but give me a break! It's fantasy and many of the characters are simply idealized versions of humans.
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Zygamora Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Catwoman is to have the abilities of a cat ... so if a cat can do that then why not her??
Personally I like the piece. :D
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wotan03 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012
ok first is only a draw a good one so everey is green for this and if she is omposible haw about peanuts and condorito whit his flop and also what happen with goofy or enny manga those thinks are imposible but is a fantasy so the only person that are againts this are simple so sorry guys

and selina looks grrrrrrreath
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Hai-Kulture Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well said Anya! :hug:

If I want to stick my feet behind my head and roll around like a cheese wheel - so be it!

Keep your Physics off my Body!

(I need to write that down...)
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Bfetish Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
As a person who draws pin up, sexy, cheese cake, style art(Which is a dying art form) I find this overall attack on anything visually stimulating just stupid. I grew up in a time where sexy was accepted and demanded.Which was the period between 1980's through the late 90's. But now because of the internet people are free to just throw out opinions without having to back them up. Or they just like to troll just for the hell of it.

There was nothing remotely wrong or sexual about the cover. Other than the exaggerated foreshortening of the figure. Catwoman wasn't naked and her breasts were not particularly huge. Its like geeks see a woman illustrated with a cup size over a C in a tight or skimpy outfit and they start crying " OMG why are her bewbz so big?! She's a slut!".Whatever happen to equality Its ok for male comic characters to go around in skimpy super tight spandex underwear or wearing a loin cloth exposing their chests. Yet female characters are frowned upon when they drawn in the same outfits. I swear I think its just this country because you don't see the Europeans bitching and moaning over nudity an well endowed women.

The funny thing is when you put the opinionated trolls on blast about their opinion they shut up real quick. They talk a lot of shit but don't back it up.
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DANJAMESV Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012   Digital Artist
i dont disaprove of comics being sexi or ecchi but dont let them become tooo sexi and echi i meant there comics not porn
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manikouste Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
looooool!! true!! the posture is no realistic
but I don't give a damn, Catwoman is so beautiful!!!
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Carameja Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:giggle:Everytime a great char gets a comic the superman droolers start hatin' I guess xD
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JKLind Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I thought for sure this was going to be about another artist at DC, who's getting a ton of work despite a lack of talent... But that guy's too easy a target. :)
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MattSimas Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Catwoman swings around a city with massive tits attached to her yet she's so agile. That isn't very realistic to begin with.
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JacobMendura Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
[link]

Hmmm, I'm sensing a trend with these #0 covers.

Sexist arguments really have no basis in comics given what the target demographic is (teen to middle age males). On the bright side, the sexist arguments mean that there are more and more female readers.

The thing is, there are plenty of sexualized males in comics and beefcake, intentional or not. Hell, one of Namor's costumes is a speedo. Spider-man probably tops any other female character in spine bending poses. And don't even get me started on Nightwing.

It also seems that the comic industry is noticing the cries of sexism and are making more conservative costumes for the females. That's nice and all, except some of them suck (I never knew I'd miss that boob window as much as I do now).

We'll see where things go, I guess.
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Carameja Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Start about nightwing, I wanna hear please? :XD:
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JacobMendura Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
His series running in the early to mid 2000s is pretty much the "sexy adventures of Nightwing and the various women he beds." Then there's this infamous picture.

[link]
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bluchevalier Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012
:lol: I just thought catwoman did yoga
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leviadragon99 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012
Mm... well there is such a thing as stylisation, personally I think it comes down to whether it works... and that can be a fairly subjective assesment also.
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futary Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Professional General Artist
thats the main problem when dealin with "canon proporstions of a character you never created"... when the character is original... no body cares if its bend or not... but when is a famous one... one must be careful to not mess the prportions or else this will happen...
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Schnopsy Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012
you know I honestly don;t think its a big deal, everyone makes mistakes its still waaaay better then anything I can draw
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redfoxagent Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I totally agree on this subject. Telling an artist what they should/shouldn't draw is like telling a comedian what to talk about. In the world of comedy nothing is off limits, just as in art. Your imagination is yours. While it does help to know proportions and anatomy, when something looks good you should just roll with it. I for example hate most of what I draw. But every now and then I do something that I can look back on and say, "I like that".
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Twinsnake-Coatl Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012
Vaya. Hay gente a la que le gusta hacer escándalo donde nomás no existe.
Si bien se puede considerar demasiado querer mostrar ambos el escote y el trasero de Gatúbela al mismo tiempo, creo que ningún artista de comic tiene derecho a lanzar piedras.
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Espurio Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If they want realistic proportions they should throw their pencils away and start making foto-comics.... ¬¬U
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G-R-I-M-M-W-O-L-F Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Really? All this fuss for a apparently non perfect picture?
Someone really needs to get laid. Because I see nothing wrong with it. Looks damn fine to me |3
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KeithEKimball Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Professional Writer
:laughing: And, as you yourself point out my friend, Wonder Woman never gets flack for fighting crime in high heels and a star-spangled thong. A thong. Some strong female role model we've got there, DC. And now the other "professional" artist start picking on Guillem March? Anyone recall Todd McFarlane's super-contorted Daredevil or Spider-Man back in the 90's? Oh, wait, those were just guys, who cares? :sarcasm:

Nothing like a double standard.

*sniff-sniff* I smell jealousy of Guillem March...
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KeithEKimball Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Professional Writer
Err, jealousy of Guillem March from all those "artists" who made those :sarcasm: gentle homage images to his work.

I wasn't making fun of you, Anya! I agree with your stance fully.
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DaveoOzWizard Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012
Hmmm....A ballerina, contortionist...pole daner...woman who does Yoga...could maybe manage to pull that pose off....

If anything it may have been a slightly rushed dynamic foreshortening...
I have seen poses of spiderman that just wouldn't work on a person with a spine.
But people will try to tear anything down if they get the chance.
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CallMeDoc Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012
I was a bit surprised at the extra backlash for that, too. Though I'm not sure on the position of her arm on the back/the shadow of the arm/her backside.

As for ignoring spines and stuff... which I could manage to do that to manage to do a more cartoony style. It's no wonder girls look hotter in more cartoony styles. :/
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Professional Filmographer
I'm amazed you haven't heard of this sooner. The response to March cover has been immense with myself included. I remember seeing it and going "How the fuck does this work?!"
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AnyaUribe Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012
Actually I did see the negativity the same day the blog uploaded all the covers. What I hadnt seen was Cameron and the other comic artists take on it, which was.. okay, yes pretty funny but come on, far worse and trully disposable things have gone through the pages of Comic history, without all this.. "noise".
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Professional Filmographer
I definitely recommend to you a wonderful little blog called "DC Women Kicking Ass." That's how I heard of this: [link]

I really don't understand where March is coming from with Selina. Back in the day, he knows how to draw, he knows anatomy, now he's all "Liefield on crack"! It just boggles my mind!
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AnyaUribe Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012
"now he's all "Liefield on crack""

Bwahahahaha! :lmao: :thumbsup: Best comment of the day!

Yeah, he likes to exagerate.. a bit much.. but dont we all? :D

Oh! Voodoo, Dominique Laveau both got "The Can!!" :(
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Very true.
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SheikTheGeek Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012
Well said. You make some really good points.
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parangsakti Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012

deviantART muro drawing Comment Drawing
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AnyaUribe Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012
:D :lmao: :thumbsup:
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Icequeen1231 Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012
it looks pretty perportioned it looks like she's jumping at you the only thing is her tushie but it's nothing horrible. The people being all oh bluh proportions bluh anatomy should get the stick from their tush. They'd be surprised what the human body can do or look like it's doing just by change of angle and such
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BarehandMaster Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
llevo apenas año y medio en este sitio, y poder apreciar tantas posibilidades que nos da el Arte, no hacen sino confirmar lo que siempre he dicho en mi signature:

"No vemos las cosas como son;
vemos las cosas como somos"


Por supuesto estoy contigo, Anya. :icondragonnodplz:
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MrBIGAL Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hi Anya, good to hear your opinion. I would respectfully like to share mine.

I think the reason people have been all over his case is that his style is realistic. If he was drawing art for say, Adventure Time, people would probably be more forgiving. It also seems very obvious that he knows better than that, and that he draws her over-sexualized as per editorial mandate. As is to be expected, a lot of envious people took the opportunity to troll him.

But, he's still getting payed as a Pro, which is something very few people ever accomplish. I think as long as he has a paycheck in his hand and high profile work, people can talk crap all they want while he laughs all the way to the bank.
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Sumo0172 Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
artists are stupid, self-absorbed, narcissistic pricks and on top of all that, we love to hate on other artists' stuff. and yet if someone attacks our work we say that the critics don't understand or i'm taking artistic license or some other dumb ass artistic bullshit. but when it come to comic art i don't see the point in bashing anything. it's comics. Jack Kirby constantly bent the rules of physics and anatomy and he is a legend. a comic artist who bashes another comic artist for anatomy liberties and/or making characters too sexy is about as asinine as one can get.

you know the sad thing is if Jack Kirby were working today, other artists would probably hate on him too.
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ShadetheMystic Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Y'know, I honestly didn't see what the problem was until I looked at the crayon-sketch versions. But that might say more about my "masterful" grasp of human anatomy then anything else.
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thegosv Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012
I just want to say that I love your signature quote. Simply brilliant!
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Arcalian Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012
I think you know where I stand, here.
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